DCMS, Outlaw and LL - you might be correct about Ms Burkett being a troll. I notice another thread about how to start a bible study which seems disingenuous and was probably started by a troll. However, what if Ms Burkett was not a troll. As AA pointed out she was acused of being a trol just because she didn't accept certain things she was told when she first joined. Luckily she stuck around. Just because Ms Burkett did not readily accept information being given to her and argued back does not necessarily make her a troll. It is also consistent with someone in the grip of cognitive dissonance and as we know trying to reason with such a person is unlikley to be succesful and can also be counter-proiductive if we overreact to the fact that they don't reasdikly accept what we are telling them. Cheers Fraz
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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help
by jnjburkett inhello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.
i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.
we do about 2 bible studies a week.
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I am sick and tired, I am proud, I am leaving
by never a jw infor 2 years, soon after my daughter's baptism, i have been exchanging many emails with an elder of her congregation.
good man, but he is a jw and he just drove me to the brink of madness recently; that was the drop the spill the water.
it's a cult.
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Cheers Felipe - I has been a pleasure having you on JWN and I will send you an email - Frazzled
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Opposing opinions
by GoUnion inany current or ex jw knows there is a lot of counsel against association with nice people that do not share your faith.
i think this is very damaging for personal growth, we never really can challenge our convictions, we become stunted in ability to reason and make personal decisions.
this is also why the organization has fought against "higher education" so hard.
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cantleave LOL but you forgot to add that if they don't come around to your way of thinking they deserve to die an imminent horrible painful death
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Looking to speak to current & ex-JWs in Australia
by nomoreklondikes inhope you don't mind me posting.
i'm a freelance writer, and am currently writing a story on the jehovah's witnesses church for a melbourne magazine.
i've spoken with an elder/spokesperson of a melbourne jw church, who explained the official positions of the church at length, but i'm really interested in getting more of a sense of the day to day experiences of jws, both current and former.
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I will be very interested to read this article to see which angle it comes from. This is an important topic and I hope it gets proper critical treatment. Unfortunately it doesn't look like something that will get widespread coverage and given its length is not likely to get picked up by mainstream newspapers.
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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help
by jnjburkett inhello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.
i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.
we do about 2 bible studies a week.
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Guys - JNJBurkett has left the building - here we had a perfect opportunity to save some poor soul before she got sucked into the WBTS vortex but by making outlandish and irrelevant comments about JWs and the YMCA we allowed her cognitive dissonance an escape route. And then some of us (you know who you are) starting being rude to her and she bailed and she will now believe all the things they will be telling her at the KH about Apostates. If this site has a mission it is to save the likes of Ms Burkett (she had only been studying for a month and had concerns). She was no troll. No one explained 'love bombing' or the techniques of indoctrination used by the Witnesses. Obviously she had already developed an emotional attachment - maybe the Witnesses were giving her some sense of belonging she is lacking - some questions about what she liked about studying may have elicited that and opened a door to get through to her. Come on folks we need to get smarter and gentler in the way we handle people like her so we can get our message across. Sorry to lecture but I was a bit disappointed to read how this thread evolved. Fraz
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My Child Has Asked Me to Divorce Husband
by HeyThere ini guess i am just venting.
its a mess.
i just dont even know where to start with this crap.
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Hi Hey There - if your kids are telling you its time to leave then maybe you should listen to them. A bit of tough love is in order. It may take something dramatic like that for him to wake up. If all your kids are of the same mind (you have 3 right?) then may be if you and them sit him down and explain how he has changed and why you can' t live with him because of that and then leave him, it might give him the jolt he needs and if his family leaving him is not enough for him to break from the cult then he has shown where his priorities lie. Good luck Frazzled
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I'm In London!
by FL_Panthers incan anyone recommended any good congregations to visit?
my hotel is in waterloo area so something close please.
anyone else here from london?.
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sorry guys I will be away all next week (half term - I am off to Scotland) - if it was the week after (the week beginning 2 June) would work for me. Weekdays suit me better for family reasons - I would love to do a London meet up, Fraz
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Do you think JWs are dangerous, if yes why? If not, why?
by suavojr inpersonally the jws to me are not dangerous.
on the other hand, many do think they are in fact a dangerous cult.
why are they dangerous?.
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going back to your OP question - my sister-in-law would still be alive today if she had not grown up and been baptized into this cult - after she ran away from her JW husband the elders guilted her into feeling she had no choice but to return to an unhappy marriage and living arrangement and rather than do this she took her own life...
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which other JWN members have you met ?
by bigmac inas the title asks---which members on here have you actualy met ?.
ive met.
cantleave and nuggett.
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Laika cos he's also in London - anyone else in London?
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Raising kids - JW mother, agnostic father
by Zana inmy wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.
my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .
sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.
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zana - I agree with village girl and pbrow - there is no middle road or at least if you try to follow the middle road you run a significant risk (it is not inevitable as Roberto Avon's experience shows) that your kids will become indoctrinated when you are not looking. You need to be very firm in resisting the key elements of indoctrination, such as reading the Bible Studies book and attending the KH. Do not underestimate the power of the fear based indoctrination process - it will be drip fed into your children's heads. They will be exposed to powerful fear inducing images and stories. As I said before - for as long as your wife believes Armageddon is happening soon, she will work overtime to protect her kids by indoctrinating them. She will truly believe that is what is best for them and it won't occur to her that she is exposing your kids to abusive scary images and stories. You will always be the enemy in all of this - any compromises you make will not change this - she will just see this as a sign of weakness. Also much better to start tough and relax at the edges later than to start by making compromises and then try to tighten up once you realise you have lost control. Fraz